{"id":38731,"date":"2017-08-23T23:03:41","date_gmt":"2017-08-23T15:03:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-productionenv-bjg9h2g2bgg5b8aa.southeastasia-01.azurewebsites.net\/news\/asap-still-has-concerns-over-commercial-crew-loc-risks-2\/"},"modified":"2017-08-23T23:03:41","modified_gmt":"2017-08-23T15:03:41","slug":"asap-still-has-concerns-over-commercial-crew-loc-risks-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/starpath.global\/news\/asap-still-has-concerns-over-commercial-crew-loc-risks-2\/","title":{"rendered":"ASAP still has concerns over Commercial Crew LOC risks"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>NASA\u2019s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP) still has a number of concerns over crew safety numbers for the Commercial Crew Program (CCP), notably the guideline&nbsp;Loss of Crew (LOC) metric, based on the threat of&nbsp;MicroMeteoroid and Orbital Debris (MMOD) damage and crew recovery from the ocean after an abort. The plan acknowledged both SpaceX and Boeing are actively working to improve their LOC ratings.<\/p>\n<p>Commercial Crew\/ASAP:<\/p>\n<p>The latest meeting of the influential ASAP received \u201ca very detailed and in-depth discussion with Ms. Kathy Lueders, the Commercial Crew Program (CCP) Manager,\u201d who noted the considerable amount of the progress made over recent months with both of NASA\u2019s Commercial Crew partners.<\/p>\n<p>NASA is working with SpaceX and its Dragon 2 spacecraft along with Boeing and its Starliner (CST-100) vehicle&nbsp;to regain American independence for its crew launch capability.<\/p>\n<p>The CCP is currently working on mission planning and preparation for eight crew missions, with SpaceX and Boeing each working on a demo flight to the ISS without a crew, a demo flight to the ISS with a crew and two post-certification missions.<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51774\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316-350x205.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"205\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316-350x205.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316-599x350.jpg 599w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316-768x449.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316-1170x684.jpg 1170w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-151316.jpg 1317w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">With regard to the official schedule, SpaceX is planning its first demo mission without a crew in February 2018, and the demo mission with a crew&nbsp;in June 2018. Boeing\u2019s uncrewed orbital flight test mission is scheduled for June 2018 and the first crewed test mission in August 2018.<\/p>\n<p>As previously noted with the progress being made on both crew systems, the panel was told the CCP and its partners are now into the \u201chome stretch\u201d, although the panel recognized that these schedules may slip and many challenges remain.<\/p>\n<p>The primary interest of the ASAP is crew safety. They are a traditionally conservative body and were initially cautious over the commercialization of human space flight.<\/p>\n<p>However, traditional elements of NASA have also been a target for their cautious attitude, famously butting heads with the Space Shuttle Program (SSP) when actively protesting against any extension to the Shuttle\u2019s lifetime to cover the growing gap with the then-failing Constellation Program (CxP). Notably, many of the SSP managers who complained about ASAP\u2019s attitude towards their improved safety regime are now embedded as top managers at the commercial crew companies.<\/p>\n<h4 class=\"widget-title penci-border-arrow\">See Also<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>CCP Vehicles Section<\/li>\n<li>     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle <\/li>\n<li>L2 SpaceX Section<\/li>\n<li>L2 CCP Section<\/li>\n<li>Click here to Join L2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The ASAP was presented with the three main \u201cprogrammatic and safety risks\u201d currently challenging the CCP, noted as the \u201cinability to meet Loss of Crew (LOC) metrics, DoD\u2019s Search and Rescue posture and capability, and the possibility of aborts taking place in sea states that would be unsafe for rescue.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ranging back throughout NASA\u2019s history, the dreaded parameter of \u201cLOV and LOC \u2013 and the combination of LOV\/C\u201d were often cited as a way of portraying the risks involved with human space flight. While LOV (Loss Of Vehicle) relied on abort and crew escape options \u2013 something the Space Shuttle lacked in numerous LOV scenarios, LOC (Loss Of Crew) is the metric that sends a shiver down the spines of those tasked with building and launching crew-capable vehicles.<\/p>\n<p>The ASAP was told NASA\u2019s LOC threshold number is 1:150 and LOC requirement is 1:270. In other words, the Agency\u2019s requirement is not to lose more than one crew in every 270 flights.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51782\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162612-350x210.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162612-350x210.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162612-585x350.jpg 585w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162612-768x460.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162612.jpg 1089w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">This is a guideline to work within, as opposed to an expectation they will actually lose one crew within 270 missions, although the LOV\/C numbers have gained ridicule over recent years,&nbsp;not least when Ares I managers boldly claimed a 1:1000 LOC number for their system before refining it into the hundreds.<\/p>\n<p>That was acknowledged by another ASAP panel member, who noted \u201cOne of the&nbsp;things the Panel has begun to observe and discuss is the considerable statistical distribution between the probabilities that are used in the model. As an example, one of the current calculations uses a value of 1:300 as a calculation for overall risk, but statistically, that number can vary between 1:140 and 1:1200.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It was also stated at the meeting that \u201cusing it as an absolute number to judge system safety is probably a misuse of the LOC estimate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Per NASA\u2019s requirement, the ASAP was told that both CCP providers are \u201cshowing numbers that are somewhat worse than those targets,\u201d according to the minutes of the meeting. \u201cHowever, those numbers are being worked, and the Program is identifying potential design changes or workarounds that would improve the situation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51778\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-155533-350x243.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"243\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-155533-350x243.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-155533.jpg 431w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">As expected, the major on orbit threat of MMOD dominates the LOC calculation, with the teams \u201clooking at areas for improvement and are continuing to study operational mitigations that could improve the numbers they have today\u201d, as noted to the ASAP.<\/p>\n<p>MMOD was traditionally classed as the third biggest risk to losing a crew during the Shuttle era, behind launch and re-entry\/landing.<\/p>\n<p>The risks associated with launch have been mitigated via the commercial crew vehicle\u2019s abort systems, elements the Shuttle did not include.<\/p>\n<p>Notably, a launch abort for a commercial crew vehicle is a concern due to the environment they would be returning too \u2013 namely the ocean. A Shuttle\u2019s primary launch abort site (RTLS \u2013 Return To Launch Site) was a runway, namely the Shuttle Landing Facility (SLF) \u2013 although hundreds of immediate return abort runways around the world were also available had they been required due to a major malfunction on orbit.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51779\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-161836-350x229.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"229\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-161836-350x229.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-161836-534x350.jpg 534w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-161836-768x503.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-161836.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">Likely to be further mitigated by Range Weather status of the downrange sea states ahead launch, the recovery of a crew, aborting into the ocean, in rough sea conditions is the concern.<\/p>\n<p>While Starliner\u2019s nominal end of mission&nbsp;(EOM) is a land landing under chutes and an airbag system, an abort from an Atlas V launch will result in the spacecraft landing under chutes in the ocean.<\/p>\n<p>Dragon 2\u2019s recent deletion of its propulsive landing technique has not increased its risk numbers as Dragon 2 was always going to come back to an ocean landing under chutes for what was an interim period during its early lifetime.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51777\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-154435-350x328.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-154435-350x328.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-154435-374x350.jpg 374w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-154435-768x719.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-154435.jpg 849w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">With the new SpaceX crew space suit revealed on Wednesday, it has been noted that crew recovery training is already under way, which will aid the knowledge base for CCP risk numbers.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis suit is much better than the one I wore in the Shuttle. Lots of great innovations. I wore one today for our post-splashdown safety test,\u201d noted Dragon 2 Program Lead Dr. Garrett Reisman, a former Space Shuttle astronaut, tweeting in reaction to the suit reveal.<\/p>\n<p>Slightly more mundane is the certification process and Systems Engineering and Integration (SE&amp;I). The former is mainly paperwork, per what needs to be done in terms of the products to be delivered, reviewed, and accepted.<\/p>\n<p>The ASAP was told \u201cmuch of the easier work has already been accomplished, and the tougher things remain to be done in a limited amount of time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Regarding SE&amp;I, the Panel noted NASA agrees with previous calls for the requirement of the Commercial Crew providers to produce verifiable evidence of the practice of rigorous, disciplined, and sustained SE&amp;I principles in support of the NASA certification and operation of commercial crew transportation services to the ISS.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-51783\" src=\"\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162714-350x249.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"350\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162714-350x249.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162714-493x350.jpg 493w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162714-768x546.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/2017-08-23-162714.jpg 984w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\">The minutes noted the Panel remains concerned about the action plan and whether it can be successful, but that it will continue to monitor NASA\u2019s progress and will be providing additional feedback and assessments to the Agency \u2013 although the Panel recognizes that the commercial partners may not follow the same SE&amp;I processes that NASA might have traditionally followed.<\/p>\n<p>The Panel has requested \u201cevidence that hardware is properly qualified, that it is qualified within the range it is expected to be used, and that the configuration is understood and consistent. In other words, the Panel is looking for some evidence of basic, underlying SE&amp;I principles instead of any one specific methodology.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Overall, the ASAP appears to be positive about the progress made by the Commercial Crew companies and has notably softened its tone over the years after hearing encouraging comments from NASA teams embedded within Boeing and SpaceX.<\/p>\n<p>(Images: SpaceX, NASA and&nbsp;L2 artist Nathan Koga \u2013 The full gallery of Nathan\u2019s (Falcon Heavy to Dragon to Starliner, MCT, SLS, Commercial Crew and more) L2 images can be *found here*)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NASA\u2019s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP) still has a number of concerns over crew safety numbers for the Commercial Crew Program (CCP), notably the guideline&nbsp;Loss of Crew (LOC) metric, based on the threat of&nbsp;MicroMeteoroid and Orbital Debris (MMOD) damage and crew recovery from the ocean after an abort. 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