{"id":41029,"date":"2009-08-09T20:28:58","date_gmt":"2009-08-09T12:28:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-productionenv-bjg9h2g2bgg5b8aa.southeastasia-01.azurewebsites.net\/news\/hlv-raw-ssp-side-project-making-good-progress-for-augustine-review\/"},"modified":"2009-08-09T20:28:58","modified_gmt":"2009-08-09T12:28:58","slug":"hlv-raw-ssp-side-project-making-good-progress-for-augustine-review","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/starpath.global\/news\/hlv-raw-ssp-side-project-making-good-progress-for-augustine-review\/","title":{"rendered":"HLV Raw: SSP side project making good progress for Augustine Review"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>With the key decision points for the Augustine Commission fast approaching, one of the favorite alternatives to the Ares vehicles \u2013 the SD HLLV (Shuttle Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle \u2013 or HLV for short) \u2013 has made great strides towards becoming a viable option for replacing the Space Shuttle.<\/p>\n<p>HLV Progress Via SSP:<\/p>\n<p>The task of evaluating the HLV as a potential alternative path \u2013 to that of continuing the development of the Ares I vehicle \u2013 was handed to Space Shuttle Program (SSP) manager John Shannon, who built a team to work on refining the vehicle concept\u2019s data, on behalf of the US Human Space Flight Review Committee.<\/p>\n<p>The vehicle, side mounted to the current design of the External Tank, is a true Shuttle Derived concept, with heritage from a previous concept known as Shuttle-C.<\/p>\n<p>The HLV is \u2013 on paper at least \u2013 capable of launching 80mt (metric tons) into Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and around 54mt to the moon.<\/p>\n<p>Due to the relevance of the concept to the current shuttle teams, Mr Shannon has been providing twice weekly updates on the HLV\u2019s evaluations via the Shuttle Standup\/Integration reports (available on L2). Those updates have shown a large amount of understanding has been added to the concept\u2019s database over just a one month period.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWant to add a new topic that we report on at Shuttle Standup, which is the work that has been going on the HLV. There is a lot of interest throughout the Program on that work, and what we are providing as a Program to the Augustine team,\u201d noted Mr Shannon in his opening addition to the Standup reports.<\/p>\n<h4 class=\"widget-title penci-border-arrow\">See Also<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>Constellation Forum&nbsp;Sections<\/li>\n<li>L2 Shuttle Extension Section)<\/li>\n<li>L2 Ares\/Orion Sections (over several hundred gbs in size)<\/li>\n<li>Click here to Join L2<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This note came after just a few week\u2019s worth of work on the concept, ahead of the opening address to the Augustine Commission on the HLV \u2013 which was made by Mr Shannon himself.<\/p>\n<p>Spaceflight history books<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>NASA educational resources<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>Space Shuttle<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>\n<p>     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHave been working with the Ralph Rowe team (head of NASA\u2019s Engineering and Safety Center \u2013 NESC), which is the technical lead under Mike Hawes (involved with the Augustine Committee) for looking at how they might support the Committee,\u201d added the opening notes on the Standup report.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey decided to do the work that we have been working on for a Shuttle-derived side-mount capability currently being called Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle (HLV). They took the work that we did and had Langley, MSFC (Marshall Space Flight Center) and GSFC evaluate it, and try to duplicate the performance and reliability that we have been showing.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAfter a couple of weeks they matched us closely. That was reported back to the Hawes Committee in Huntsville. They liked the information and want to follow on with it. We had looked at primarily a cargo vehicle; they had asked us to look at a maybe a crew vehicle and what kind of capability we would have with that side-mount.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey had also asked for some costing information, which has been a request to the Program.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The opening work on refining the computational models and data for the crew version of HLV related to the safety of aborts \u2013 a subject that has ironically become more of a problem for Ares I of late.<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-11166\" title=\"H2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H21.jpg\" alt=\"H2\" width=\"360\" height=\"246\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H21.jpg 360w, https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H21-350x239.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\">Work was also undertaken on other shuttle-related elements of the vehicle, such as the Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME) inventory \u2013 with a potential path to \u201cuse up\u201d the current shuttle stock, before heading to a purpose built disposable engine.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe biggest issue with the crew vehicle has been the aborts, and we put together a team work on abort scenarios for a crew vehicle and are starting to collect information to do a costing on manifesting options and so forth,\u201d added Mr Shannon\u2019s early notes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHelp has been requested and received from Engineering. MOD is looking at how they can help. We will probably be talking to the projects in particular about the engines, inventory, and replacement options.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe performance number matched was 79.9 metric tons to LEO, and 54 metric tons to trans-lunar injection (TLI). This is fairly good performance capability.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mr Shannon also noted the time constraints in turning around the evaluations into a refined proposal that the Augustine Commission could use in their deliberations. It is likely that a baseline will be overviewed by the Commission, with further work to be conducted if the HLV is opted as the best forward path.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is a fairly short turn around activity. We don\u2019t expect to have all the answers by the time Augustine finishes up. We will identify areas that need additional work. (Managers) may come round for some help from your Project. This falls in priority right below flight support activities, but if you could help out that would be good. We are getting inundated with requests for data. We\u2019ll do the best we can.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A Month Of Progress:<\/p>\n<p>With another presentation drawn up by Rick Manella \u2013 on behalf of the Rowe team \u2013 just one week after the presentation to the opening Augustine Commission public meeting, a baseline refinement process picked up the pace.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-11169\" title=\"H5\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H5.jpg\" alt=\"H5\" width=\"285\" height=\"229\">The work focused on costs, schedules, performance and safety \u2013 with the Aerospace Corporation also conducting their own review, in tandem with the other alternatives of the EELV&nbsp;vehicles (Atlas V-Heavy and Delta IV-Heavy), plus the Direct \u201cJupiter\u201d vehicle concepts.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAre continuing to mature data, primarily in the abort analysis and cost analysis. The white paper put together by ESMD (Exploration Systems Mission Directorate) regarding abort is being reviewed,\u201d added a July 7 notes. \u201cA tag-up will be held to discuss the abort plan.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMr. Shannon confirmed that the NASA team has completed the performance assessment. He asked which team will perform the cost and schedule work. We are looking at preparing our cost data basically in-house, and we have not gotten into what Aerospace is looking at.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another meeting at the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) discussed the required hardware for the HLV, with concerns raised by the looming deadline for the ability to build additional (shuttle) External Tanks at the Michoud Assembly Facility (MAF).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThanks to the MSFC Projects for being gracious hosts. It was a very successful trip. Identified some (areas of interest) to work with. Most discussion was around the SSME and remaining inventory, and what a replacement might look like, schedules, etc,\u201d added July 22 notes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe biggest concern, identified during discussions with ET, is we\u2019re right on the cusp of disposing of some ET hardware that could be easily available for several options.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe would like to figure out how to handle that. (Will work on) ET hardware (availability) because we should not disposition stuff that could potentially allow us to produce additional tanks that come into play or fold into a more derived type of vehicle.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another meeting was then held with Vision Analytics on the cost data for the HLV, before the findings on the abort were completed to a preliminary level \u2013 with parallel work conducted on the abort plans and MOD\u2019s overview of how to utilize HLV\u2019s flights to the International Space Station.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-11168\" title=\"H4\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H4.jpg\" alt=\"H4\" width=\"270\" height=\"220\">\u201cThe first cut of abort analysis for HLV has been completed using the launch abort system (LAS) being developed by the Constellation Program (CxP). No show stoppers were found,\u201d added another note on a recent Standup report.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe first look at Control Operations (Con Ops) that MOD is helping develop for HLV going to the International Space Station.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWorked with the Business Office. They did an outstanding job of presenting some cost scenarios. HLV continues to expand our board analysis. Continue to develop a concept of operations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Returning to the hardware and logistical requirements of switching to the HLV, the first week of August involved inventory and costings work for the existing shuttle hardware manifest, and a review of the associated subsystems.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAre continuing review of the subsystems to better understand the spares available for HLV and confirm the cost basis. A successful review was held with the MPS (Main Propulsion System) group,\u201d noted Mr Shannon on the August 5 Standup report.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA review is now underway with the Electrical Power Systems group, (to be followed by) the ground software status \u2013 which will be reviewed.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again noting positive work on evaluating the HLV via related shuttle departments, an overview was presented at a Joint Propulsion conference in Colorado \u2013 with one of the highlights focusing on the encouraging performance margins on the vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHad a good review on Structures. Folks a JSC continue to do remarkable work on getting more fidelity in the overall design,\u201d added notes from a couple of days ago. \u201cContinue to refine performance on the vehicle we\u2019re carrying as a baseline. Have margin to the left and right. It is looking very good.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cStarted an effort on the aft boat tail design for manufacturing and producibility. Aero has been surprisingly very good. Have some pressure zones on the aft end of the boat tail and underneath the ET.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHave more pressure around where LO2 and intertank meet, and are thinking of using superlight ablative plus normal SOFI (insulation) to take care of it. Looking good acoustically, too.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA paper was presented that showcased using the HLV to launch a space-based solar powered demonstration in geosynchronous orbit. There was strong attendance at the (Joint Propulsion) conference. Thanks to the various projects for participating with the Business Office to help HLV refine its cost estimates. This provides credence to HLV\u2019s numbers.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-11167\" title=\"H3\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nasaspaceflight.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/08\/H3.jpg\" alt=\"H3\" width=\"323\" height=\"218\">Though not directly mentioned in the notes, a switch to the HLV would provide a boost to the potential for the shuttle program to be extended.<\/p>\n<p>The Augustine Commission has already made it known that the most viable option for reducing the gap between shuttle retirement and the operation of its successor would be via a \u201ctrue\u201d shuttle derived alternative \u2013 of which the HLV or Direct\u2019s Jupiter are the only two concepts that fit into that category.<\/p>\n<p>The commonality between the truly shuttle derived vehicles would \u2013 it is claimed \u2013 reduce costs and development cycles. It would also provide a lifeline to the thousands of skill set workers in the event of an extension, and a subsequent move to SD vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>The findings of the Augustine Commission are expected later this month.<\/p>\n<p><em><em>L2 members<\/em><\/em><em><em>:&nbsp;Documentation \u2013 from which the above article has quoted snippets \u2013 is available in full in the related L2 sections, now over 4000 gbs in size.<\/em><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With the key decision points for the Augustine Commission fast approaching, one of the favorite alternatives to the Ares vehicles \u2013 the SD HLLV (Shuttle Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle \u2013 or HLV for short) \u2013 has made great strides towards becoming a viable option for replacing the Space Shuttle. 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