{"id":41980,"date":"2006-08-10T20:20:55","date_gmt":"2006-08-10T12:20:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-productionenv-bjg9h2g2bgg5b8aa.southeastasia-01.azurewebsites.net\/news\/q-conundrum-being-solved-by-nasa\/"},"modified":"2006-08-10T20:20:55","modified_gmt":"2006-08-10T12:20:55","slug":"q-conundrum-being-solved-by-nasa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/starpath.global\/news\/q-conundrum-being-solved-by-nasa\/","title":{"rendered":"Q conundrum being solved by NASA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>NASA appears to be finding a balance between aerodynamic loadings on their modified External Tanks and performance issues during the ride uphill via their Low Q and High Q ascent profiles.  <\/p>\n<p>  While Shuttle Atlantis\u2019 STS-115 is expected to fly a High Q ascent profile due to its payload and abort options, documents show the decision to fly Low Q on STS-121 proved to be the right decision for Discovery, potentially avoiding foam liberation earlier into the ascent.<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"129\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=9981\" width=\"600\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p><em>**Information collated from a 64 page document \u2013 available to download on L2**<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>**STS-115 LIVE UPDATE PAGES**<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Atlantis\u2019 mission has not had its ascent profile confirmed, although it is almost certain the launch will be a High Q ascent, given this is required by way of performance for the assembly missions that include large International Space Station elements, such as the P3\/P4 truss that will ride with STS-115.<\/font>  <\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018If you look at the difference between a Low Q ascent and a High Q for us, the main differences are where we pick our different abort boundaries,\u2019 noted STS-115 commander Brett Jett. \u2018So from a crew perspective, High Q gives us more abort options during the ascent.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018The Program have looked at the margins on the tank and they are very comfortable with the tank both structurally and with the foam performance, so we believe it was the right decision (at present) to go High Q with 115. With our heavy payload, Low Q would have been very difficult for us to do.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>The Low Q approach was originally an option to fix the Orbiter Window issue for High Q mission profiles. However, it returned for Discovery\u2019s Return to Flight mission last month to reduced the stresses on the External Tank, following concerns on how the ET would perform without its PAL ramp and partially modified Ice\/Frost ramps.<\/p>\n<p>Recently, NASA \u2018performed a mission specific assessment of STS-121 using Low Q and High Q I-load designs based on STS-121 measured wind to produce trajectory assessments and inputs to ascent aero-heating predictions, (which) determined parameter deltas between Low Q and High Q mission designs to determine if STS-121 foam loss events could have occurred earlier in time if STS-121 had been a High Q mission design.\u2019<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The fascinating document, which took data from a number of NASA centers and major Shuttle contractors, reiterated that ET foam loss comes from a complex set of combinations, thus playing down the importance of Low Q as an absolute solution for solving liberation from the tank.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018ET Foam loss is caused by complex combinations of heat transfer\/venting\/material failure processes based on initial configuration of the foam at lift-off \u2013 Cracks, Voids, Delamination, Damage, Thickness, Shape, velocity, dynamic pressure, etc,\u2019 noted the document, which went on to show that most of the elements noted are not affected by the Low or High Q ascent profile.<\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"125\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=9361\" width=\"125\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font>Interestingly, the document goes on to back up the decision to move to a Low Q ascent profile for STS-121, noting \u2013 inside a red-highlighted page: \u2018Trajectory indications are that a STS-121 High Q mission design may have caused earlier foam loss based on velocity trends and releases from 30-80 seconds may have caused more damage if impacts occurred.\u2019<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">This information backs up the Low Q decision, given the foam loss that was seen on STS-121. While the liberation mass was within limits, it was also an important factor that the loss happened later into the ascent, lowering the risk to the orbiter, had the foam loss struck the vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>Another set of interesting data finds are based around \u2018Aeroheating\u2019 \u2013 one of the contributors to \u2018Cryo-ingestion,\u2019 which is listed as part of the complex mix that can lead to foam loss.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018STS-121 High Q mission design would have produced heating rates prior to the peak heating time frame ~5-10 seconds earlier than Low Q mission designs,\u2019 noted the evaluation of Discovery\u2019s ascent. \u2018STS-121 High Q mission design would have produced ~4-10% higher peak at STS-121 foam loss locations. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018STS-121 High Q mission design would have produced ~4-6% higher heat load at STS-121 foam loss locations. STS-121 Low Q mission design produced on average ~57% of the design heating rate and heat load while High Q mission design would produce ~63% of the design values.\u2019<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">From these findings, the document noted: \u2018Aeroheating indications are that a STS-121 High Q mission design may have produced ET foam loss ~5-10 seconds earlier for failures driven by external temperature or foam temperature distribution and that an increase in peak heating rate from 90-110 seconds and heat load may have caused additional ET foam loss for failures driven by external temperature.\u2019<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\"><font size=\"2\">While Discovery\u2019s ascent was still one of the cleanest \u2013 if not cleanest ever \u2013 launches, NASA still has work to do \u2013 which it has acknowledged on many occasions \u2013 to fully understand the science behind foam liberation.<\/p>\n<p>What appears to be the case with this document is STS-121\u2019s ascent has provided engineers with a host of new data, to aid their understanding as they head into the final salvo of missions before the Shuttle is retired in 2010.<\/p>\n<p>This is highlighted by a host of new data, driven from the newly installed DFI (Developmental Flight Instrumentation) \u2013 which makes up a number of pages in the document. Ironically, Discovery\u2019s tank (ET-119) did not fly with the full suite of DFI, which is still around four tanks away from being realised, with funding currently being requested to achieve that goal. <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p>SpaceX launch tickets<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>SpaceX<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>Space Technology<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>\n<p>     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p>Early results from the DFI have proved to be encouraging, as it was noted: \u2018Preliminary MAF (Michoud Assembly Facility) analysis has shown that base drive acceleration dominates the analytical response predictions. Based on STS-121 and STS-114 LO2 cable tray accelerometer data PAL ramp removal does not cause significant differences in the cable tray response. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018Based on STS-121 and STS-114 LO2 cable tray accelerometer data, the cable tray response produced expected sensitivity to dynamic pressure. STS-121 LH2 cable tray response does not indicate any design load issues.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>All the findings noted in the document will also prove to be useful when a similar batch of data is collated post STS-115, showing any issues between to the two \u2018Q\u2019 ascent profiles, allowing NASA to build yet more confidence in achieving a smooth completion of the International Space Station.<\/p>\n<p><em>**COMING SOON: NASASpaceflight.com\u2019s STS-115&nbsp;music video \u2013 plus STS-115 video coverage\u2026.all free**<\/em><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=7015\" width=\"468\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><em><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">**NASASpaceflight.com Job Opportunities**<\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&nbsp;<br \/><\/font><\/em><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lduhtrp.net\/image-1911168-10415279\" width=\"120\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/em><\/font><em><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"10\" src=\"http:\/\/www.awltovhc.com\/image-1911168-10419894\" width=\"120\" align=\"right\" vspace=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/font><\/em><br \/><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/em><\/font><u><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em>LIVE&nbsp;UPDATE PAGES<\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/u><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NASA appears to be finding a balance between aerodynamic loadings on their modified External Tanks and performance issues during the ride uphill via their Low Q and High Q ascent profiles. 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