{"id":42036,"date":"2006-06-21T00:16:00","date_gmt":"2006-06-20T16:16:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-productionenv-bjg9h2g2bgg5b8aa.southeastasia-01.azurewebsites.net\/news\/dissent-against-sts-121-launch-was-widespread\/"},"modified":"2006-06-21T00:16:00","modified_gmt":"2006-06-20T16:16:00","slug":"dissent-against-sts-121-launch-was-widespread","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/starpath.global\/news\/dissent-against-sts-121-launch-was-widespread\/","title":{"rendered":"Dissent against STS-121 launch was widespread"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Marshall Space Flight Center Safety Engineering Review Panel (MSERP) noted in their findings that they did not concur with information supplied by the builders of the tank, Lockheed Martin, on the risk of associated with the partially modified ice\/frost ramps (IFR) \u2013 and pushed for the risk to be classed \u201cprobable\/catastrophic.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>  Noting they expect to see four IFR events during STS-121\u2019s ascent next month, the \u201cunacceptable\u201d status of the ramps was backed by other areas of NASA Engineering and NASA Safety, leading to the call to proceed with the launch being handed to NASA administrator Mike Griffin.<br \/>\n<font color=\"#ff0000\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"90\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/content.nasaspaceflight.com\/library\/1016\/logo2_1bk.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\" width=\"182\" align=\"right\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/em><\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em>L2, for&nbsp;expanded documents and insider information used in our articles. To join L2, click the advert. <br \/><\/em><\/font><\/font><br \/><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Foam loss from the ramps on ascent has already been acknowledged by NASA managers, although the evaluations from around the agency show wide-ranging opinions and dissent on just how much of a problem the partly modified ice\/frost ramps will be for Discovery during her ride uphill. <\/font>  <\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Lockheed Martin \u2013 who are interlinked into the Michoud Assembly Facility (MAF) where the External Tanks are fabricated \u2013 saw their findings readdressed by MSFC in what appears to be a key to the decision to move the risk of foam liberation from the ice\/frost ramps to \u2018probable\/catastrophic.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>\u2018This failure mechanism for the IFRs was found during a post STS-114 investigation on ET-120 and has not been fully understood, controlled, mitigated or bounded since the finding,\u2019 noted the MSERP findings. \u2018Lockheed Martin flight history data analysis (Super Light Weight Tanks (SLWT) only, 11 flights) has shown 12 IFR foam losses believed to be due to delamination and one of those losses meets the \u2018maximum expected\u2019 debris limit of .08 lbm. <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"88\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/logo.cafepress.com\/3\/4811501.1268853.jpg\" width=\"150\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018This debris limit is not related to the safety of the Space Shuttle Vehicle (SSV) but is a \u2018process yield\u2019 number only. The safety requirement is believed to be more than an order of magnitude smaller than .08 lbm. (on the order of .004 lbm), but has not been fully defined and allocated down to the ET. This discrepancy is (fully documented in other presentations).<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018MSFC Engineering has performed a similar assessment and has identified a potential loss of up to .2276 lbm (3 sigma) and more variability in the flight history data. MSFC Engineering has considered other tanks (not just SLWTs) in their analysis and has not concurred with the Lockheed Martin findings\/approach. This is on-going analysis by Lockheed Martin and MSFC Engineering.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018Due to inadequate process controls for this use-as-is foam and the variability in the data, flight history data may not provide the bounding data to predict the losses for the next flight. MSFC Engineering predicts 4 foam loss events on IFRs for STS-121 (3 are due to a void with a pressure differential and 1 is due to a cryogenic event) based on: Flight history analysis and expert assessment<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018The integrated SSV (Space Shuttle Vehicle) risk assessment associated with loss of IFR foam has shown the risk to be \u2018red\u2019, probable\/catastrophic.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>This decision from MSERP was not the only dissenting opinion to come forward at the Flight Readiness Review (FRR) last weekend, with NASA\u2019s Chief Safety and Mission Assurance Officer Bryan O\u2019Connor and Chief Engineer Chris Scolese concuring against the launch, along with JSC, KSC, and MSFC (combined) Propulsion Systems Engineering and Integration (PSE&amp;I), who noted: \u2018Catastrophic outcome could easily happen in the life of the program. <\/p>\n<p>\u2018The risk should be classified as probable and is considered by PSE&amp;I to be unacceptable,\u2019 on their LH2 IFR Risk Assessment position.<\/p>\n<p><\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"128\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=4983\" width=\"130\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><em><font color=\"#ff0000\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">STS-121 Mission T-Shirt. Use discount code \u2018nasaspaceflight\u2019 when&nbsp;ordering from Countdown Creations &amp; receive 5% off!<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/em><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">MSERP\u2019s recommendations referred back to their problems previously noted when they recommended against the decision to fly \u2018as-is\u2019 with the ice\/frost ramps partially modified. MSFC wanted to the ramps to be much smaller than they currently are on ET-119 and ET-118, to bring down the risk of foam liberation during ascent.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018(Risk) should indicate \u2018red\u2019, probable\/catastrophic, for Hazard Cause 15: TPS Design Limitation and Cause 9: Manual Poured Foam Application Process Deficiencies until a fully verified\/certified redesigned IFR is implemented that reduces the likelihood of this failure mechanism occurring.<\/font><\/p>\n<p>  SpaceX<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>Space Shuttle models<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>Company News<path d=\"M7.59009 18.59L9.00009 20L17.0001 12L9.00009 4L7.59009 5.41L14.1701 12\" style=\"animation: initial !important; background: initial !important; border: 0px !important; box-shadow: none !important; color: inherit !important; cursor: inherit !important; direction: inherit !important; display: inline !important; fill: currentcolor !important; filter: initial !important; float: none !important; margin: 0px !important; opacity: initial !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: initial !important; padding: 0px !important; stroke: initial !important; transform: initial !important; vertical-align: initial !important; visibility: inherit !important;\"><\/path>\n<p>     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});<\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018A waiver is required to fly STS-121 (and STS-300, LON) with an \u2018open\u2019 Hazard Report and a \u2018red\u2019 risk.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"125\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lduhtrp.net\/image-1911168-10372152\" width=\"125\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018Prior to the next flight, the approach to documenting risk to the SSV associated with debris loss should be readdressed. (Risk) is written against \u2018maximum expected\u2019 debris allowables which do not relate to the overall safety of the SSV. Maximum expected debris allowables are derived from the process capability, not the safety associated with the debris. It is possible that the ET can meet all requirements within and still cause a catastrophic SSV loss.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018If (Risk) only addresses the risk to the ET from ET foam loss, the risk associated with ET TPS loss will be misleadingly low and meaningless. Further investigation is needed to more clearly document the overall risk.\u2019<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Regardless of these findings, all sections of the Agency understand there is no&nbsp;risk&nbsp;to the crew of Discovery during ascent from foam loss,&nbsp;given that cannot cause a LOV (Loss of Vehicle) during the climb to orbit. The risk is only associated with re-entry, which would not occur if Discovery suffers a serious foam hit on ascent. The crew has the option of the safe haven on the International Space Station (ISS), before being rescued by Atlantis on STS-300.<\/p>\n<p>This is where NASA administrator Mike Griffin responsibilities are key, given the disagreement between sections of NASA Engineering (against), NASA Safety (against) and NASA Management (in favour) in proceeding to launch. Thus the decision to proceed is handed to Griffin in the case of dissent.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">\u2018Some of the senior NASA individuals responsible for particular technical areas, particular disciplines, expressed that they would rather stand down until we had fixed the ice\/frost ramp the way that \u2014 something better,\u2019 noted Griffin at the post-FRR press conference. \u2018Whereas, many others said no, we should go ahead. So we did not have unanimity. 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