{"id":42079,"date":"2006-05-01T00:23:45","date_gmt":"2006-04-30T16:23:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-productionenv-bjg9h2g2bgg5b8aa.southeastasia-01.azurewebsites.net\/news\/msfc-claim-et-unacceptable-for-flight\/"},"modified":"2006-05-01T00:23:45","modified_gmt":"2006-04-30T16:23:45","slug":"msfc-claim-et-unacceptable-for-flight","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/starpath.global\/news\/msfc-claim-et-unacceptable-for-flight\/","title":{"rendered":"MSFC claim: ET unacceptable for flight"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A series of documents acquired by NASASpaceflight.com explain the split of opinion that Shuttle manager Wayne Hale referred to during Friday\u2019s Shuttle update press conference.  <\/p>\n<p>  That split came during the PRCB (Program Requirements Control Board) meeting just a day previous, with the rationale to hold Discovery\u2019s STS-121 mission until further modifications are made on the ice\/frost ramps, outlined in a series of presentations.<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em><font color=\"#ff0000\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"90\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/content.nasaspaceflight.com\/library\/1016\/logo2_1bk.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\" width=\"182\" align=\"right\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\">The following information was collated from several documents, dated the 26th and 27th of April. Selected scans are available (click images below \u2013 full documents available on L2)<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/em>At the conclusion of last week\u2019s PRCB it was decided to fly STS-121 with ET-119 \u2018as is.\u2019 That went against a large section of the ET community, backed by the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC), who made the presentations to show why further work should be carried out on the ETs.<font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"125\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.awltovhc.com\/image-1911168-10418554\" width=\"125\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\">The fly \u2018as is\u2019 only affects ET-119, given Hale noted that work will be on-going on the tanks throughout the remainder of the STS program \u2013 which stretches through to 2010. However, focusing on STS-121, documents clearly show that MSFC are against what was agreed on during the PRCB, noted as \u2018Option C\u2019.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p>Three options were presented to the PRCB. Option A involved a further re-shape of ice\/frost ramps, option B would involve scalloping and venting of the ramps \u2013 and option C, fly \u2018as is\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Option A, already dismissed by Shuttle managers, offers most promising approach to elimination of IFR TPS debris, alleviating cracking and delamination which has been seen in wind tunnel testing on the new ice\/frost ramps. A re-shape would see another large section of foam being removed from the ramp.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">No TPS loss would be expected with option B\u2019s scalloping and venting, which also offers improvements in aerodynamic and void\/delta-p performance. That option was understood to be still open to engineers, up to the point Discovery is mated with the ET and twin Solid Rocket Boosters, mid May.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"180\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=4829\" width=\"235\" align=\"right\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p>Option C, which has been decided on, has a list of risks, with expected delamination and foam loss through divoting in the ramp. <\/p>\n<p>Documents show that wind tunnel testing resulted in a 0.2 inch divot at the base of the test article ice\/frost ramp (inboard edge at bondline). <\/p>\n<p>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"100\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=4438\" width=\"152\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<p>While that shouldn\u2019t pose a major threat to the orbiter, the divot was the start of a major structural failure of the ramp at higher aerodynamic pressures, as seen in the wind tunnel test image on the left.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The Low Q mission profile (no higher the 735 psf) will go a long way to ensuring structural failure of the ramp simply won\u2019t happen, although it is noted that the divoting occurred at 735 psf during test runs at the wind tunnel.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">While schedule pressure is a dirty word in NASA circles, option A would have been \u2018critical\u2019 to the July window Discovery is currently set to launch in. Option B, however, held the&nbsp;potential to be completed \u2013&nbsp;and still allow Discovery to launch in July. It is not fully understood why this option wasn\u2019t taken, as scalloped\/vented and fly-as-is options can support the STS-121 schedule, provided the remaining testing and analysis is successful.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"150\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=4828\" width=\"200\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\">On the rationale to go with option C and fly \u2018as is\u2019 \u2013 as recommended by the ET project team with the Space Shuttle Program, engineers note they have a basic understanding of release mechanism for the cryopumped and noncryo-pumped scenarios and their time of release. The risk to other elements for these scenarios is well within the total risk of the flight. <\/p>\n<p>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">However, further tests will be carried out by the team of engineers tasked with the ice\/frost ramp re-design, to verify the analysis performed for these release scenarios before the first flight. Such information is expected to be presented to Shuttle managers at the May 4th PRCB meeting.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Engineers do, however, have work ahead of them in evaluating the \u2018unknown risk\u2019 an unknown release mechanism for the horizontal cracks (as seen in the ice\/frost ramp divot), although it currently appears to be within the risk of the void delta P risk. Still, engineers will \u2018aggressively pursue design options\u2019 to find a way to mitigate horizontal cracks via the fly \u2018as is\u2019 option.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">As Hale also noted, managers wish to fly the tank without making yet more changes to the current modifications, due to so little maturity in the design. Managers don\u2019t wish to lose focus&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;need to see how the tank reacts in a real ascent situation, without the PAL ramp being in place for the first time.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p><em><font color=\"#ff0000\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"90\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/content.nasaspaceflight.com\/library\/1016\/AdBanners\/storelogo3.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\" width=\"182\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/font><\/em><\/p>\n<p>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Added to the rationale was data that noted the risk factor for a catastrophic impact is \u2018low\u2019, given the expected release of foam from the ramps \u2013 added to the Low Q mission profile, to be no more than small divot-type releases.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">However, MSFC\u2019s Engineering Team\u2019s support for Option A was almost insistent, with opening rationale entitled \u2018Primary rationale is mitigation of TPS losses and failure mechanisms through redesign\u2019 \u2013 with the primary goal of still supporting a July launch window, despite a document a day previously (one day before the PRCB) claiming option A would place July in jeopardy.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">In support of option A, MSFC engineers noted the mitigation of 4 of 4 failure mechanisms, notably \u2018Delam\/cryo-driven losses from body and acreage minimized due to thermal crack\/delam reductions. Void delta pressure from body of ramp less due to thinner foam, smaller surface area, and finger removal. Aero losses from body of ramp eliminated from top half of ramp. Delaminations mitigated.\u2019<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.awltovhc.com\/image-1911168-10420838\" width=\"120\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\">Classing option C\u2019s fly \u2018as is\u2019 as \u2018Minimally acceptable, high risk approach,\u2019 engineers listed a large amount of expected risks for STS-121\u2019s flight.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">They summarised: \u2018If launch in July is pursued and complete redesign implementation for ET119 does not support that schedule, then: Fly as-is rationale for one flight is available. If PRA shows risk is acceptable. High risk for debris. Requires CSCS\/safe haven capability.\u2019<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">The language of MSFC engineers was even stronger in a document dated April 26, one day before the PRCB and used as rationale for their position against the decision that was finally taken by Shuttle managers.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"150\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/forum.nasaspaceflight.com\/forums\/get-attachment.asp?action=view&amp;attachmentid=4825\" width=\"200\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\">A very strongly worded presentation opened with a \u2018Risk Statement\u2019 on page one. \u2018Given each design option, there is a potential for foam and\/or ice debris form the ET IFR that could strike the Orbiter resulting in a catastrophic failure. These failures are documented in the ET Hazard Reports T.02 (Loss of Thermal Protection System) and E.04 (ET Ice Debris).\u2019<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Their position only supported option A, with the S&amp;MA recommendation noting \u2018Implement Reshaped-Reshaped design prior to STS-121.<\/p>\n<p>\u201dUSE AS IS\u2019 Design is unacceptable for flight.<\/p>\n<p>\u201dUSE AS IS Vented Scalloped\u201d does not address key issue of cracking and delamination and is unacceptable for flight<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">Such was the serious tone of their rationale to support only option A, last Thursday\u2019s PRCB was almost split right down the middle on which option to support. Fly \u2018as is\u2019 will allow launch processing to continue to flow towards the July window, but sources are claiming a number of engineers are continuing to put together rationale to change that very decision.<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"141\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.countdowncreations.com\/images\/shuttle_25th_t.jpg\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\" width=\"125\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><em><font face=\"Arial\" color=\"#ff0000\" size=\"2\">Space Shuttle 25th Anniversary T-Shirt. Use discount code \u2018nasaspaceflight\u2019 when ordering from Countdown Creations &amp; receive 5% off!<\/font><\/em><\/font><\/p>\n<p>It should be remembered that such differences of opinion, and the open process (the information gained by this site above was not export controlled) surrounding the decision, highlight NASA\u2019s willingness to listen to both sides of the argument when it comes to flight safety.<font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\"> <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">  <\/p>\n<p>Shuttle managers, such as vastly experienced Wayne Hale, are tasked with balancing out all sides off the argument, while drawing a line under how far they go with modifying the tanks. Such debates between NASA departments and contractors are now routine.<\/p>\n<p><em>More articles will follow this coming week<\/p>\n<p><\/em><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.lduhtrp.net\/image-1911168-10415279\" width=\"120\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\"><\/em><\/font><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"60\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"10\" src=\"http:\/\/www.awltovhc.com\/image-1911168-10419894\" width=\"120\" align=\"right\" vspace=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/em><br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<u><em>LIVE&nbsp;UPDATE PAGES<\/em><\/p>\n<p><\/u><\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A series of documents acquired by NASASpaceflight.com explain the split of opinion that Shuttle manager Wayne Hale referred to during Friday\u2019s Shuttle update press conference. 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